Does anybody know if this site has moved. Thomas Nelshoppen December 17, 2022 Pitching Grade Challenge. To use the card computer: regrading by using the same formula from year to year is just educated "guess work". These boards also stipulate a re-roll for "8" results with bases empty to see if the single is converted to an out (for D pitchers) or if the single is NOT changed to an out (for B and better pitchers). was trying to reproduce the pitchers stats exactly. Walk Ratio to locate a pitching grade in the table, Use the ERA calculated in Steps 1-3 and the pitcher's :). as it adds more plate appearances to the game and the effects of the (W) vary Do people like them? League). Personally, I be open to using the SPFC system in favor of strict games and innings but that would mean a league meeting vote. 1. I had two questions for you. Im not sure how I feel about the Fatigue Chart. Hi guys, Batters are rated for walks, Ks, homers, doubles, singles, DPs, etc etc. Q. grade, If the pitcher won 12 or more or saved 30 or more games, locate the The x,y,z, zz, k, r, and w are strike-out and control ratings that go above the normal pitching grades A, B, C, D. k, x, y add more strike outs, z and zz limit walks, w adds walks and passed balls, r turns a strike-out into a flyout or groundout. If the pitcher is going to need those three runs a game to make his season W-L, he's probably gonna be hurtin'. This generally occurs on all potential error results and other results where baserunner advancement is impacted. APBAs Basic game is robust enough that it can be customize it in a manner that reflects the interests of a particular individual and/or members of a league. (1) Did you ever do anything with the data in this study? So the issue is hits and I have to agree that grading should be tied to hits more so than ERA. APBA Master Game Starting Pitching Grades Formula Innings Pitched ERA (Below) W-L (Misc) Grade 8 100-139 3.30 2x as . Different seasons can upset a standard formula. display: none !important; When you add the (W), you create "Delete" deletes the selected player in your Selected Players list from the list. I'm not sure how much better an A&C or A&B pitcher is on GO compared to an A pitcher. Just my opinion. Pitching Grades The numeric pitching grades assigned by APBA are not used for ABA play. When APBA came out in 1951, the concept of the grade was added, so now pitchers fell into six classes: A&C, A&B, A, B, C and D. The grade was pretty much [], In the introduction, I went over what the heck this project is all about. Pitchers' ratings are based upon the league (AL or NL) they pitched in real baseball. But it also hurt the playability of the game. doing what you suggest, but the grades were derived differently, so the MG I dont necessarily disagree with you and I know a few people who feel strongly that APBA should base grades on the pitchers actual performance such as hits and walks given up and not on stats which are the possible result of his performance (like ERA) or stats that are dependent on external factors (like wins). are ameliorated a bit. according to the grade of the pitcher. :). to the team based on endurance (how many innings he pitched), and how many Thanks to Gary C for the suggestion! In part two, I went over the error and rare play numbers and found out that everything was pretty much the same. Best thing to do would be to play the season "as is", compute all the stats, and then regrade the pitchers accordingly. The following variables are used in the calculations: LW = The league (NL or AL) average number of unintentional walks per batter faced LHR = The average number of home runs allowed per batter faced LD = The average number of doubles allowed per batter faced Certain Board sets contain a Master Game Pitching Grade Conversion Chart. select a player from the list to the left of the card, OR. The APBA website did include an announcement at one point but to my knowledge, there isnt a one-stop page with all updates. I do have a question (its been a number of years since I last ordered a season) Maddux has some sort of rating (30). My second grade for all pitchers adds some variety and closes the gap between the undergraded pitchers and the overgraded pitchers, which is a lot closer (except for Verlander and people like that) to real life. I personally focus on individual achievement rather than team, although I am strictly a replayer. However, once the starting pitcher allows an earned run, the Starting Pitcher Fatigue Chart is activated. What are these ratings. "Card font" will change the font the card display uses. I heard on Facebook that James just earned his league's title so perhaps his Challenge win is more than just coincidence. H Pitcher roll 11-46, homerun is changed to the highest numbered double on the board. I'll use myself as an exampleI ain't no math whiz, man. Is Wainwright truly just a low C grade pitcher whereas Lynn is a solid B? Which means, with their offense, he was probably facing the other teams' #3 or #4 starter. EBH #s per batter card, the D, with no other rating, will give up about 15% 1905 Chicago Cubs replay update: Brown faces the Phils, Excel users: Try my spreadsheet for keeping baseball stats. Calculate BF adjusted Add Pitchers BF rating and the resulting adjustment to BFR from above. below. fault of the pitcher and thats where you can say Seitz was using the pitching a simple little chart. = Your perspective on winning is noted, as statistical analysis, metrics for defense, such as winning independent defense and many other factors assist the pitcher not too mention offensive prowess. I play both. So, when that happens, whats going on is Your email address will not be published. Like the player above, I was wondering just what the number meant. Thats why theres kind of a problem in giving a Basic rating based purely on H/9. (and there are many definitions of league, by the way). The BF number is the upper limit for the middle relievers in a 3 game series. ~g~ It's a little harder to explain Ray Kremer's 20-12 season in 1930, with his 5.02 ERAbut it happened, so I guess it's possible. the master grade? Double plays gently decline as there are fewer runners to double off in the higher grades. Grading is season-specificfor number grades, for control, for strikeout capability, for home run allowancefor just about everything. For instance, if the league averages three Was Boggs that much a better pitcher? Also, please consider that the Starting Pitcher Fatigue Chart system is relatively new. I recall one example, but dont remember who the pitchers werebut they had about the same ERA. While theyre on the road, I depend on boxscores and play-by-play accounts. But the L rating itself and the fact that Motte had nobody to clean up after him caused his ERA to be higher than Boggs. Board sets contain a Master Game Pitching Grade Conversion Chart. above. (Hat tip to Bob Godby for suggesting this option!). That means you'd be playing the same season twice. So I began to wonder: Did APBA assign more 26s? 2. Pitcher Fatigue When the pitcher has faced the # of batters indicated by his BF factor, he is subject to downgrade starting with the next batter as follows: - With the first batter that reaches base other than by error after he reaches his BF factor, he is downgraded one grade. If you are making grades on your own, the same rules will apply. I get all my stats from the most excellent folks at Sports Reference. The best way to find out what all the symbols mean would be to purchase the physical card and dice game and read through the instructions/play book. You in a weird way need to draft guys that do not produce but can eat up innings not the way I like to play. I.e., the pitchers ERA relative to the league Better get the bullpen up early with a (5) adjustment to a B pitcher who has a low fatigue rating to start with! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Ive tried to bring fatigue into my play & it does make gms longer but it does make me think in terms of how long starters go & what relievers to bring in. PLEASE NOTE: THE APBA GAME COMPANY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PAGE. And it looks like the long held belief that an A&C pitcher (grades 23-27) is a little more advantageous than an A&B (28-30), with the ability to knock out the 9 with a runner on 1st more important than knocking an 8 down with a runner on 3rd or runners on 2nd and 3rd. And that is fine with me. Thanks, Bill. An H is worth a point or two depending on the initial grade. a 5. Thats why Im not interested in the newer games out there. In the Basic game, I would say the guy who allowed fewer HR/9 should receive a better grade than the guy who allowed more HR/9. Fill in the top areas yourself to create a card matching At some point the Master Game Grade began to be computed first and then the Basic Game grade was created from the conversion. Prior to this time, the only extra base hit you could have with a 0 was a 1. Bills method is an interesting idea though. Like after the grade A what does the 2 or xyz or whatever stand for? The intent of the Basic game (Master game too) is to replay a season. Player Rest This chart is intended to supplement the APBA injuries system by selecting players to be rested for a game based on the players J-factors. I dont really think its broken but but am always looking for ways to improve it. This is different (and, in my opinion, preferable) to the Coxx system and other systems in which you determine a potentially new grade for the entire game. Divide each range into 5 sections. However, the unrated pitcher will have a higher BB/36 PA (2.87) than the the baseline (2.80), since there are many more Z pitched innings than W. First the charts: The effects are a little more linear, but there are impacts of the grade on the final answer. @ F G $$If a$ $If + L Z kdh $$If l F x X 6 4 His ERA is zero. The premise is I make either 6, 8, 10 or 12 teams out of that major league season and play a 30 game schedule using the Master Game and the approximately one million innovations Ive added through the years. Singles Use this chart when an EBH has been converted to a single. is. It's just run support. If were going sort of way and that we did. Chris on APBA: On Pitching part I Thomas Nelshoppen February 14, 2020 February 14, 2020 Card Analysis Chris Williams shares what information he's collected about APBA with TAB readers! This is the pitcher's BF Adjusted. wins/saves and the pitcher's Walk rating -- use this as the pitcher's A similar patterns occurs with the actual HR/36 PA. Instead, the numeric grade for each pitcher is calculated using the table Then he uses his APBA rating. I understand (and somewhat agree) with your point about simplicity. Now the BG grade was slightly off. *Considerations: For borderline cases may upgrade one letter grade for Championship Team. ~g~. more of everything not just the extra two outs. When dealing with home run ratings, it became obvious that the non-HR rated pitcher will give up a little less homers (.90 per 36 PA) than an average replay with the ratings distributed (.94). I agree with you about the educated guess work, but the more seasons you see, the less 'guess' and the more 'educated' you can become. My guys Ted Simmons and Keith Hernandez were right on the money, which should reveal my Cardinals proclivities and my advanced age! I was wanting to take a look but the connection seems to be broken. That and you could get an A grade for 20 wins and a 4+ ERA. I had never really seen that before. Learn how your comment data is processed. For the purpose of just providing adequately accurate pitcher ratings for seasons you want to play/study/own, the numbers wind up being extremely season-specific, even case-specific. I enjoy these types of exchanges as they demonstrate an interest in both APBA and the game of baseball. or use the New Member Login option and Its always been that way and is just one of the quirks of the system. Grade A pitchers have to compensate for allowing too many EBH by allowing too few singles. Alternatively, one could expand these, even making their occurrence equal with straight grades. line with the Master Game. 1. The Grade advancement trumps the Starting Pitcher Fatigue Chart. The former ended up with a grade maybe 4-5 points lower. that youve added, in most cases, at least two more plate appearances. With 2 outs, Smith makes an error. Do you think theres a chance that, instead of a fatigue chart, we would ever get pitching grades by innings or blocks of innings? Each additional baserunner downgrades him two more grades. A pitcher rated G24 would get a roll on every home run result; a roll of 24 or lower would turn the HR into a double. Further, APBA grades pitchers based partially on Wins and Innings Pitched, two statistics that I do not believe replicate a pitchers true performance (wins are a team statistic and reflect a teams ability to score runs and play defense, two factors outside a pitchers control). If that same club scored 8 runs a game for that pitcher, you can't know that APBA is going to replicate that. It hasnt been adopted by every APBA player (my league hasnt started using it yet). will then be adjusted accordingly. Gonna have to tinker with that one. OOTL Season Carded and Available Players 2020 OOTL List of Carded Players 2020 OOTL List of Available Carded Players OOTL 84 Game Conversion Chart OOTL Season Pitching 2021 (2020 MLB Season) OOTL Pitching Grades - 4/3/2021 Version - 60 Games Although it is grade-dependent, it basically is a bonus bump on your grade, while a W is probably worth up to a penalty of 4 points in the mid range and 2 at the extremes. If His run support was over 6.4 runs per game. I wrote about the Starting Pitching Fatigue Chart when it was relatively new. But as I understand it, that's not your question or the direction you want this thread to go. Increasing Caught Stealing I have made other changes primarily to the 12 and 33-35 results on the "Runner on 1st" board to increase the caught stealing results for speedy runners. Even though there H/9 were identical, you need to account for the HR/9 which the Basic game doesnt do. "Add" adds the selected player and year to the list. Pitchers had basically two ratings, and one drubbing could inflate the ERA for the year to a point it would never recover. I prefer the APBA system to others because there is more differentiation between individual pitchers in the master game numbering system. > R T Q ` + bjbj .L # t J J J J J % % % y { { { { { { $ h ! This hardly justifies the difference in rating from 6 to 11. Essentially, the SPFC is a feature to be used in the APBA Basic Baseball to add some realism when it comes to starting pitching durability. 6 4 of years, the Basic Game Grade was computed and then the MG grade was created CMBA Pitching Grades 2010 . seventeen These are not master game pitchers ratings. games he won. The strikeout letters proved to be of little change to the results. What is the system you use? Well, if you look at the SkS If you want specificity all you have to do is look at the 2B HR ratio, compute the 2B/HR ratios on the chart, and then adjust them to what you want. The '32 Yankees are scoring 6.42 runs a gameLefty might get a few wins with that offense. Obtain the ERA for the individual league the pitcher pitched in by using an ERA breakdown on the Basic Game Grade. Save my name, email, and site URL in my browser for next time I post a comment. log in with any email address. I have the Basic (purchased in late 2020), and cannot seem to find an explanation for the SPFC. Higher of APBA grade "Save" saves the Selected Players list. far (maybe 80-85% of the total weight of the grade), is relative ERA. :). All of the numbers are dependent upon each other. October. In those cases, use the fielding chart at bottom and third die, referencing the fielder's rating to determine which column to use and reading the chart as per the MG instructions. originally envisioned as rather comprehensive, a meld of his ERA and his value }, Copyright APBAMetrics 2023. This procedure reduces the overall number of singles allowed by D pitchers and increases the singles allowed by A and B pitchers. For example, take two pitchers who both BARELY receive an X rating based on their identical K/9 stat. A. The box below the player list is your Selected Players list. If I want both, Ill have to play the Master Game. Although its possible that their MG ratings both are something like a 12. Just ensure the M and H are offsetting and the G and L are offsetting. So I get a mixture which should reflect the best of both worlds. Sorry about that. In the Basic version of APBA, I think the card creators have to make a choice between getting accurate H/9 results or accurate ERA results. The SPFC aims to reflect this. I also dont have the time and, honestly, interest to regrade an entire season. As a result, older cards will not have the BF rating on pitchers cards. 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